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Bird Auction Has Welfare Proponents in a Flap

March 28, 2007 : 12:00 AM
Birds as money makers? Avian welfare proponents say no. (Plus post-Auction Update:)

Post Auction Update
Ziggy’s Haven saved 17 birds, and other rescues were able to get 13 birds. Wendy from Ziggy’s Haven reported, “We saved 30 birds from a life of containment in a semi trailer.” A more detailed update and photos of the birds will be posted soon. Ziggy’s still needs help from the bird-loving community! Visit their website Here.

*Update: Ziggy’s Haven Bird Sanctuary in Lake City, FL is planning to attend the auction. They are seeking donations to outbid breeders and possibly foster or adoptive homes for birds won at the auction. Visit their website at www.ziggyshaven.com, or e-mail wendy@ziggyshaven.com to help.

By Kelli Ohrtman: Best Friends Network

Bird auctions take place all the time throughout the United States. It has long been illegal to import wild-caught birds into the country, but large-scale breeders have been handily filling consumers’ demand for pet birds. In reality, most auctions happen quietly with birds changing hands from breeder to breeder. Not the case for a March 31st closeout sale of Beech’s Bird Nest Ranch in North Carolina.

An ad announcing the 500-bird auction was placed in Bird Talk magazine, causing an uproar from bird lovers and breeders alike. Now the issue is in the open and on the table.

We spoke with Denise Kelly and Eileen McCarthy, co-founders of the Avian Welfare Coalition (www.avianwelfare.org) about the welfare issues surrounding the auction, and what can be done by those who might not agree with treating birds this way. They laid out the main issues including commercial breeding, overpopulation, and the realities of living with parrots. They also shared their advice on what to do about it all.

Commercial breeding isn’t good for any animal
Generally, when any animal is bred on a large scale for its owner’s profit, care standards go down in proportion to the number of animals kept. The more focus is put on increasing production and profit, the less goes to considering the animal’s well-being, because often the two don’t go hand in hand. The auction bill for Beech’s birds reads “This is an opportunity to buy proven factories -- money makers.”

Whether the auctioneer meant that the birds are themselves factories, or that they are also money makers, the mindset is clear. The birds exist to make money for their keepers. Denise spoke on how birds are kept for breeding purposes, and had this to offer, “In most mass production breeding operations, birds are routinely placed with a mate in small enclosures with nothing more than water, food, and a nest box. The idea is to keep them breeding with the least amount of distraction. Breeder birds are seldom offered enrichment activities and are kept away from human interaction.”

This is the exact opposite then the environment parrots have evolved to live in over millions of years. Birds have adapted to free flight, gregarious social groups and close-knit families—not to mention living in the wild. Keeping birds warehoused for breeding purposes is on no level humane to the bird.

Aside from a bird’s mental and physical well-being at a breeding facility, another point to consider is the number of birds that commercial breeders pump into the pet trade, and whether it is ethical to do so, which brings up the next point.
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There are already thousands more parrots than there are homes to care for them
The basic truth is, Eileen said, “There’s already an overpopulation of parrots in captivity.” The Avian Welfare Coalition took an in-depth look at the true status of the pet bird overpopulation problem in this document, Avian Welfare Issues: An Overview, and the results are alarming at best.

The lowest estimate of exotic birds kept as pets in the United States is 11.7 million; the highest estimate is more like 40-50 million. Even the lower estimate makes birds the third most popular pet in the country. But when one considers that many of the most popular species of parrots live 2-5 times longer than a dog or cat, and can easily outlive a human, there’s whole different set of issues to consider. Denise said “There is a built-in homelessness problem, particularly with large species such as Macaws, Amazons, African Greys, and Cockatoos. It is unreasonable to assume that the average 40-year old person who acquires a large parrot is going to be able to provide lifetime care, so you already have that factor that the animal is going to be re-homed at some point in its life.”

She went on to explain that overpopulation is more than the number of animals present. “Another consideration is that species with complex or demanding care requirements who need skillful and knowledgeable caretakers will reach overpopulation at far fewer numbers than species requiring less specialized care. The smaller the pool of qualified caretakers or suitable environments in which to place an animal, the faster overpopulation is reached.”
Eileen spoke to the number of parrots estimated to be given up by their owners each year, stating, “If there are twelve million [pet birds], even if you only had a 1% annual relinquishment rate that would mean 120,000 a year become displaced. And one percent is very conservative and probably completely unrealistic. I think with dogs and cats it’s more like a 5-7% relinquishment rate—and that’s with animals that people are generally capable of providing care for.”

This is a problem. Finding an appropriate home for a relinquished parrot is not easy considering the type of care they need. In fact, Denise quoted one study indicating that as many as one third of people who had parrots acquired them from someone else instead of buying, breeding or adopting their own bird. It makes sense that with a lifespan that exceeds our own, it’s inevitable that a bird will need to be handed off to someone else someday. But to who?

So while the pool of birds without homes continues to grow, passing birds from one place to the next, breeders keep on breeding. Meanwhile…

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Parrots are not for everyone—in fact they’re not good pets for most
This brings us back to the auction. Anyone can bid on, and go home with a parrot on auction day. Birds could go to other breeders or to first-time owners. Eileen said, “Having a sale of animals with absolutely no screening process and no guidelines for animals which are very difficult to care for is very irresponsible.” On the flip side, any responsible shelter, breeder or seller will make sure that their birds go to people who are educated and equipped to care for them.

Eileen explained, “A parrot is not necessarily a pet in the sense of the word that we usually use—obedient, always happy to see you, happy to have its needs met on your terms.” In fact they can be pretty difficult animals to keep healthy and happy in a home environment, more so than the average person might think.

This
fact sheet
, provided by the Avian Welfare Coalition lays out some of the surprises new bird owners might be faced with if they haven’t done enough research—things like the potential screaming, the cost of care and supplies, the daily time and attention parrots demand from humans in a home. It’s enough to send most right back to calling themselves strictly dog or cat people.

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The bottom line—how to change things for birds
While the Beech’s Bird Nest Ranch auction has brought many issues in avian welfare to the forefront in discussion, the fact remains that it is the live pet industry that perpetuates events like this. Denise and Eileen offered several tips on how bird lovers can stop supporting large-scale breeding of parrots that already don’t have enough homes to go around.

-Don’t buy products from stores that sell live animals. “Your influence comes in the way of money,” Denise said.

-Never buy a bird—adopt from a rescue instead

-Tell your local and state governments how you feel about the exotic bird trade in your area. Eileen said, “There’s no reason people in the area of the auction can’t be writing letters to the editor on how they feel about 500 birds being auctioned in their community. Tell legislators you want an ordinance prohibiting it.”

Ideally, every parrot to be auctioned off would go into a good environment, and not back into a breeder’s world. Sadly, that most likely won’t be the case for most of these birds. But if enough people take action, even a small action like not buying from a store that sells birds—and telling them why—change will slowly start. In the meantime, take a moment with your own birds if you have them, or call a local bird rescue or shelter and offer to help. Even small steps can take bird lovers a very long way toward a better life for their feathered friends.

For more information about birds and bird welfare, visit the Avian Welfare Coalition’s website at: www.avianwelfare.org

More resources and information:

10 Things to know before adopting a bird

10 Reasons why birds are given up

10 things to make your bird happy!

The True Nature of Parrots

Take Action for Birds!


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April 6, 2007 at 1:12 PM
posted by: MagsFarm
This discussion on this community is very valuable for education - for everyone to understand each other's views. We do the best we can with the information we have at the time - and when we learn better we do better.
In reflecting on the April 1st comment from mkbyd864- quote:
"I realize that birds will be sold as breeders, but in fact thats what they are . Its what they have done and how they are acustomed to living and its too late to change that."
I wonder if that statement were applied across the board, to all animals and humans, what kind of a world would we all be living in?!?!
CHANGE IS ALWAYS POSSIBLE!
People can change, animals can change, mindsets can change; once education is applied and you add some tender loving care, miracles are possible!
In fact - change is the only constant in life that we can all rely upon!
We count on the ability to change a parrot's quality of life, or we wouldn't be rescuing them in the first place! Parrot's behavior can change for the better, their diet can be improved, they can have enrichment added to their life (and if one doesn't know about that it is easy to research on any of the parrot welfare organizations' websites - it involves improving the quality of life and is very time-consuming. This is where the inability of breeders to provide their birds with the optimum existence comes in. They could NEVER provide each individual bird with the hours needed to give it a great, or even good, life. If they were to invest that many staff hours into enrichment they would not make any profit.)
Just because a parrot (or any other animal) has been a breeder does NOT mean they have to stay that way. It is very hard on the body, it depletes their nutrition, and it is generally not a 'happy' life. Many breeder pairs are "bondage pairs" and not "bonded pairs" - If they had their choice they would not want to be together, but they are stuck together in a cage for life.
I realize you have to care that a parrot HAS a happy and satisfying life to even care about this issue. And you have to believe in giving animals a choice about how they prefer to live.
People who can't empathize with an animal and see that they may need more than can be provided by them don't suspect that they may not KNOW what the best standards of care and feeding are for each individual animal.
I believe that sharing our lives with any animal is a privilege and needs to be earned. People must educate themselves about the current standards of safety and care and carry out the optimum for each individual animal they house. Is breeding in the interest of the animal or the human? Is the human profiting in some way from the animal? Then it is NOT for the animal's highest good. People need to delve deep into their souls and truly educate themselves about all aspects of this issue before they talk about others and their ability or inability to care for birds and all of God's creatures.
  
April 1, 2007 at 6:20 PM
posted by: ruthy92
"this rescue stuff is a bunch of horse shit"

And this is the philosophy of the ABUSE ANIMALS FOR PROFIT lobby

All the sweet talk in the world doesn't sugar coat the hatefulness and the abuse

All the more reason that there need to be more laws to protect animals and protect consumers

(and I will wager that mr mkby bird breeder and his pals are FURIOUS that the prices of these birds will be bid up by rescuers. The breeders had hoped to get cheap birds at the expense of a breeder in trouble!)
  
April 1, 2007 at 6:18 PM
posted by: ruthy92
Every puppy miller in the world calls himself a great person, a family man or woman, religious, care for their animals, blah blah blah

Unfortunately, those words are just deception and subterfuge to cover the abuse and cruelty

A breeding mill is a breeding mill

No excuse on earth for it.

Disgusting.
  
April 1, 2007 at 4:12 PM
posted by: parrotguy
mkbyd864 - you do not need to agree with others to be accepted here. I think it is commendable of you to stand up for your friends. Please know that I do not doubt that the Beech's are good people - you are not the first person that I have heard that from. I was also sorry to hear that Mr Breech has cancer and that is why he sold his birds. I truly do hope Mr Beech wins his battle with cancer and is able to enjoy his life with friends and family.

My problem does not lie with Mr Beech it lies with what he was doing or not doing. My problem (in part) lies with the conditions that he and many other breeders allow their parrots live in - in order to produce babies for the pet trade. And the lack of screening and education that is given to people before they take a parrot home. The more enrichment the breeder supplies, the bigger flights they build ... and the more time they spend giving their babies the proper amount of attention and socialization (while they are being hand fed) - this all cuts into profits. Many breeders also sale their babies before they are weaned - which can lead to many problems as the birds get older.

I noticed on Beech's sign it said that they were "Independent field research farm for Kaytee Products" I am curious if this means that they were part of the Kaytee Preferred Bird Program. If so, these are birds that seem to lack in early socialization. In an article about the Kaytee Preferred Bird Program Sally Blanchard said, As a person directly involved with the lives of many parrots and their human flocks, I absolutely know that early socialization of companion parrot chicks is essential to their sense of security, trust, and curiosity. These are the qualities necessary for pet potential and those of a happy companion parrot.

Yes, you are right, Life is not always fair and We have to do the best we can to support one another. Among the people that need our support are the people that are rescuing the birds and animals.

Something that might change your views about parrot rescues is for you to spend some time volunteering in a parrot rescue facility. Ask them where all their birds come from. Find out how many birds they turn away each year. Besides all the parrot rescue facilities across the country there are even more private homes where people have taken in unwanted parrots. Even for the parrots that are living in homes where they are well provided for, and the people think of them as family - they too will likely lose their home some day, because parrots live so long.

Even for the people that think parrots should be raised for the pet trade - how do they justify breeding so many parrots when there is such a huge homeless parrot problem?

I may not be able to change your views about breeding or about the acceptable standards of care for parrots, but I do hope you will be open to seeing the bigger picture.

If a breeder truly does "love" his/her birds, then they too would want what many rescues want - to help put an end to the homeless problem.
  
April 1, 2007 at 8:52 AM
posted by: sara_b
If the Beech's loved their birds they would not have
been operating a bird mill, and if they didn't have a bird mill this auction would not have happened.

I agree with you on one point mkbyd864, we cannot return them to the wild. But the bigger point is they should never have been taken from the wild to begin with.
  
April 1, 2007 at 8:15 AM
posted by: keithw
Sounds to me like somone go their feathers ruffled. By the way, there is a huge difference between Rescues /Sanctuaries and a pet store. Breeders and pet stores look after their wallets (PROFITS) while rescues look after the birds best interest. 99% of all rescues that are in operation today are not-for-profit, yes some rescues require small adoption fees to cover expenses (vet exam, food, toys etc), but they do not profit on the birds. If you don't believe me, take a look at their most recent 990 or 990Ez tax filing, if they are a 501(C)(3), it is public record.
  
April 1, 2007 at 2:41 AM
posted by: mkbyd864
Id just like to say that you all have the wrong Idea about the Beech's.
I think that maybe before you attack someones caracter you should try to know them first. I am a new member of this club and probably wont be accepted after this post but oh well, i've been kicked out of better places so here I go. The information you all have supplied to the public is completely inacurate when reffering to the beech's. Having met them personally I feel I can say that.They have cared for each and every one of their birds as no-one else could have including you all or myself. they have even kept and housed Blind , krippled , elderly , and infirmed birds with the highest standards of care available. as they still do and you would know if you truly cared as you say you do for the wellfare of theese birds. they have spent almost 40 yrs researching and caring for birds , participating in medical studies that brought forth medicines for birds that we all have or may have needed from time to time. helping to develop medicines and vacines for birds that were much needed. they even continue to care for birds that serve absolutely no monatary purpose whatsoever. If they were the kind of monsters you people make them out to be they certainly never would have done that. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
But no , it all boils down to someone wanting what someone else has and thats it. If you truly were concerned about the birds you would know that its never better to take theese birds and try to re introduce them to the wild. that would be a disaster. They would most likely end up in someones glue traps. Its appalling to me that you think you or "your friends" can give better care to theese birds than people who have raised and cared for them for years. You must have bumped your head. I realize that birds will be sold as breeders , but in fact thats what they are . Its what they have done and how they are acustomed to living and its too late to change that. The most important thing is that they will be fed , housed , and cared for in a loving enviorment for the rest of their lives . I know many bird breeders and I cant tell you of one who does not love and care for their birds as much as their children . however , you want to put them in rescue 's where they may or may not have the funding to care for them . depending on other people to give you the money to take care of them when their already being cared for where they are. You or I do not have the right to judge the Beech's or question their intentions . they are good people doing the best they can do and this rescue stuff is a bunch of horse shit. If you want birds I suggest you go out and buy some like the rest of us. It will be much more appreciated and loved if you have to pay for it. Thats the bottom line. Life is not always fair and We have to do the best we can to support one another. not put each other down and try to take what belongs to someone else. You people should have to earn the right to call yourselves rescues.Lets face it whats the difference in a rescue charging for birds and a pet dealer selling birds? just because you call it an "adoption fee" doest make it any better. you are still recieving money for the bird's that was given , donated or taken by you so thats a 100% proffit no matter how you look at it. now if you were taking birds or animals , caring for them at your expense , and then adopting them to loving homes at no charge or for no compensation then in my opinion thats the definition of a rescue. but that in fact is not what you do.I think you ashould all just step back and look at what your doing.
  
March 31, 2007 at 4:33 PM
posted by: sara_b
Believe me when I say that I am happy/relieved for all the birds that end of up in the hands of rescue/sanctuaries than other breeders. And I am also happy IF this auction ends the exploitation of these birds and this breeder. But what assurances do we have it is their last? His word? The word of the same person that sent thousands of babies out the door, to uneducated caretakers, professing what wonderful pets they make? How can we be sure?

A powerful powerful message is being sent. to the public, and at large, an uneducated public. "In some cases , buying is rescue and is acceptable. Is it only acceptable for rescue/sanctuaries ? Do as we say, not as we do? How many people considering adoption will now seek out a breeder and constitute their purchase as a rescue?

Perhaps the line does need to be redrawn, but is it without cost to the overall cause? .
  
March 31, 2007 at 12:37 PM
posted by: parrotguy
Thank you for posting Sara - this brings up an issue that I think needs a lot of discussion. Some of the questions that I have ask myself and other rescue organizations have asked too is - how can someone justify paying for birds/animals when they turn away requests for surrenders? How can someone justify spending money to buy birds/animals when funding to operate their rescue facilities is tight? By taking in more birds/animals will the standard of care go down for the birds/animals that are already in their care?

These questions also entered my mind during the Catskill auction when rescue groups went in and bought animals to keep them form ending up in canned hunts. And when there was a fundraising drive to buy Biggie the Steer from auction. Although it is not possible to save all these animals it is possible and responsible to try and educate people. It is an opportunity to open peoples eyes to the bigger picture. Sometimes we need to be a voice for the ones with no voice.

Because Parrots have a monetary value the ones that need rescuing the most may never see the doors of a rescue facility - they end up in the classified, in a pet shops on consignment or in breeding facilities, or worse. It has been my experience that most of the parrots coming into rescue facilities get there because someone cares enough about them that the birds well-being is more important the dollar value that the parrot has. If we were to go out and start buying up all these parrots that need to be rescued we would likely create a bigger problem, because it all seems to come around to supply and demand - we would be creating a demand, so the supply would keep coming. As Marc said in his comment below, it is a generally accepted philosophy by the sanctuary movement that animals NOT be purchased I think one of the differences here for me is that this is a one time auction for a breeder that is getting out of business. If this was an ongoing auction I think we would only be making matter worse to get involved.

Maybe something to consider in an auction like this is – every pair of good breeding birds that are kept out of the hands of breeders might save money in the long run, because their babies will not end up in a parrot rescue faculties later. And, it is illegal to bring in more parrots form the wild. The homeless parrot problem is huge and so many rescue facilities are bursting at the seams - frustration many times get directed towards the breeders.

Below are segments from 4 different emails from one day earlier this month. The first two are from a small chat group, the other 2 were sent directly to me.

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>I have at least fifteen rehomed here and I often thought this was their forever home. But I forgot how old I was. Now I think about where they will end up.
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>I too worry about the future, it is hard to face that, but I am working on that... We are becoming a 501(c)3 and hopefully will have the funds to care for all the birds after we all pass... I do worry about that.
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>Anyway, long story short...I'm feeling greatly overwhelmed. You know how we've talked about who is really the prisoner, the animals or the caregivers? I'm feeling like a prisoner right now. I love these animals, I truly do, but between them and work, I don't have much time else. I've obsessed over this for some time now. Would you think me a terrible person if I re-homed some of them? It makes me sad to think about it, but the more time goes on, I realize I'm not giving some of them the quality one-on-one they deserve.
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>We have an African Grey parrot that we have had for about 12 years.
We have recently suffered a death in the family and are not able to care for him in the way that we would like to see him cared for. Can you please inform me of the options you offer in terms of donating him to your care.
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These kinds of emails and calls never stop coming in to rescue facilities everywhere.

What are the answers to the parrot overpopulation and homeless problem? Should we just stick with education? What should we do about the breeders - can they not "love" their birds without breeding them?

I think this editorialCLICK HERE will shed some light. It was written by someone that was a parrot breeder.
  
March 31, 2007 at 12:30 PM
posted by: kathy_g
If rescues "buy" these birds creating a safe haven for them-that is all the more reason to do so. If more "millers" or breeders get their hands on these birds-that is all the more that will not only be neglected and abused, but all the more that will need rescuing in the future-so now is the time to nip it as much as possible.
  
March 31, 2007 at 9:42 AM
posted by: sara_b
I have been following this auction closely and it sickens me. I am also very concerned to see rescues groups are not only encouraging individuals to buy these birds, but bidding themselves. I am not unsympathetic to their compassion, but if buying birds from a breeder, regardless of the circumstances, becomes an acceptable practice in the avian rescue/welfare community then they too become a part of the problem instead of a part of the solution. Breeders are not selective in whose money they take.
  
March 30, 2007 at 1:40 PM
posted by: ruthy92
"Maybe the reason some people find this acceptable is because of their lack of knowledge of proper care and husbandry for parrots. As for the breeders - it is too costly to do it right, so most breeders cut corners in order to make a profit. "

I think this is so true!

So many of us have been tricked by the puppy millers into believing a fantasy. We just didn't know!

and the millers do everything they can to hide the truth and deceive the public.

(Many of the website sales puppy millers actually dress up puppies in little outfits or post pics with children to cover up the horror that the dogs live in in the kennels)

We are learning, but the same kind of thing is going on in the bird world.

The bird mill issue has been overlooked, I think by many in the humane world, and an auction like this is a real eye opener to many.

And as far as "90% of these birds are wild caught birds and are NOT tame. These birds will be won by breeders who will only continue to breed" HOW HOW can this country let this go on?

To let the greedy few steal animals from the wild to shove in cages and torture?
  
March 30, 2007 at 1:24 PM
posted by: parrotguy
Something in this article that I would like to reiterate is the standard of care that parrots receive in many breeding facilities. There were comments posted HERE from people that seem to think the conditions that these birds are living in is good. I find it disturbing that someone can look at these pictures HERE and HERE and think that the conditions these birds are living in is acceptable. Even though the breeder may not be breaking any laws, the birds are living in an environment that is not enriching their lives. Maybe the reason some people find this acceptable is because of their lack of knowledge of proper care and husbandry for parrots. As for the breeders - it is too costly to do it right, so most breeders cut corners in order to make a profit.

It only makes good business sense that the auctioneer would post pictures that would represent the birds and the breeding facility in the most positive light. If the pictures that are posted on the auctioneers web site are the best they could do I am not impressed. I see cages that are in need of mending and repair, I see cages with no perches, I see birds that are in need of grooming, there is a severe lack of enrichment in their cages (very common in breeding facilities) and I also see birds that appear to need showers (mated feathers). As I read through the "inventory list" I see that over 20% of the African Greys on this auction are feathered picked, 5 of the 8 Eclectus parrots are feather picked and many of the other parrots are too - we do not see them highlighted in the pictures.

I cannot think of better causes then ones like this. It is a good opportunity to educate people about the over breeding of parrots and the homeless parrot problem. And it gives us an opportunity to make a positive difference.

I really want to encourage people to get on Ziggy's Haven's web site HERE and click on the DONATE tab on the top left hand side of their web site (Please specify Parrot Auction in the remarks section). Don't underestimate the difference a small donation can make when many people get involved. Karen Windsor from Foster Parrots Ltd. said, Wendy is a good woman struggling to do a hard job. Lets help her.
  
March 30, 2007 at 10:14 AM
posted by: parrotguy
I received an email from Wendy Waas (the Director of Ziggy's Haven Bird Sanctuary) concerning the auction. I am posting her email below with her permission.

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Hello to all.

The following auction is to take place on Saturday March 31st at 10am. http://www.bidspotter.com/forms/event.php

There is nothing we can do to stop this auction. We can only hope that the majority of the birds end up in good homes. Ziggy's Haven has raised $3000.00 towards this auction and we are working with 4 other organizations that have also raised money for this auction. Each of us has chosen different lots that we will be bidding on. If you are in a position to be able to place a bid but are not in a position to take the bird/birds, one of our rescue organizations will take this bird in for you if you are willing to bid on and pay for the bird. Please notify me asap if you will be bidding on a bird and the lot number of the bird you will be bidding on so we can remove it from our list and add a new bird. If you are in a position to make a donation to our rescue specifically for this auction, please visit www.ziggyshaven.com to make your donation through paypal. Please specify Parrot Auction in the remarks section. All money raised will be used to bid on birds at this auction. We have veterinary care and feed being donated to us for the birds coming in from this auction. If you will be bidding on a bird but want the bird placed in rescue, please let us know asap.

Please help if you can. 90% of these birds are wild caught birds and are NOT tame. These birds will be won by breeders who will only continue to breed and push birds onto unsuspecting consumers. Most of these birds that are purchased from breeders will see many homes before they end up in a rescue like ours. Won't you please help us to rescue one until there are none?? If you view the pictures you will see that these birds have absolutely no enrichment. No branches to chew or toys to play with. They have lived thier lives in a cage to reproduce. Help us to save the next generation of parrots from being brought into this world. Make a donation now or look through thier "inventory" and choose a bird you would like to see saved and place your bid.

I look forward to hearing from each of you. Thank you in advance for your time, donations and consideration in this very important event.

Wendy Waas
Director
Ziggy's Haven Bird Sanctuary
www.ziggyshaven.com
  
March 30, 2007 at 7:56 AM
posted by: fosterparrots
Although it is a generally accepted philosophy by the sanct